Wednesday 4 April 2012

Gandhian solution to the Babri Masjid dilemma

What do you think must be done at the site of demolished Babri Masjid?
The status quo should be preserved. The debris, the rubble, representing the hardness of our hearts and the shallowness of our minds, is more sacred as a confession of our unregenerateness than an aggressive, avenging, construction of a Ram temple at the site can ever be. Or a legalistic reconstruction of the demolished mosque.
At the deepest level, no new Rama temple can in all conscience be constructed at the site until the questions of Sita’s banishment and the killing of Shudraka by Rama in the Ramayana are satisfactorily resolved by a more self-questioning Hinduism than Hindutva can ever be.
Without atonement for the miseries heaped upon women and the “lower” castes as a result of an uncritical acceptance of the authenticity of these episodes in the Ramayana, it would be an insult to Sita and Rama to build a new temple at the site of arrogance and vengefulness in Ayodhya whether or not it is the site of Rama’s birth.

Who said this?
It was Ramachandra Gandhi, the Mahatma's grandson.

Who is this 'Shudraka' killed by Rama? Possibly, Rishi Shambuka is meant. 
The story is from the Uttarakanda- a splendid satire on Religion and Ethics and the holier-than-thou Kings and self-aggrandizing Priests who blindly suckle upon those two breasts of the Goddess of Corruption.
Ram is a nice guy who loves his wife. But, because of some nonsensical scruple he banishes her and makes himself miserable. He also kills a great Rishi doing tapas (austere meditation) so as to prevent the guy from gaining Heaven, just because the fellow happened to be working class. 
Rama's action would be praiseworthy  if he he'd said- 'Bad enough the Brahmins, those lazy beggars, have indulged in this stupidity from time immemorial, but they are worthless cunts so let them keep to it. True some Kshatriyas (warriors) and Vaishyas (merchants) too have taken up this ridiculous and contemptible practise, but even that is tolerable because power and wealth inevitably create idleness and stupidity so that too can be tolerated. But, if even the working class- the productive element in Society- take up this nonsense then we are surely doomed! I behead this Rishi with my sword so as to save the common-weal. Let the working-class, at least, be free from this potent source of mischief. '
However, if Lord Ram had made such a statement, the Uttarakanda would fail as a tragic work of art and would simply become the ultimate Veda- or Divine Revelation.
Of course, from the Religious point of view, what is happening is that Shambuk is being elevated to the status of Ravana, who was a Brahmin and greatest of tapasvins (masters of austere meditation) and who gained the goal of ultimate Liberation by being killed by Lord Ram. That warrior himself, however, far from enjoying felicity is condemned, in the Uttarakanda, to separation from his beloved wife and the killing, rather than protection, of a Rishi. This is both funny, from the Cosmic point of view, as well as touching, if not tragic, because the truth is Religion and Ethics fuck up middle-aged people who somehow think they are better than others.

One important consequence of the Uttarakanda is we cease to clamour to have an Incarnation of the Lord to lead us here and now. Why? Incarnation is bad for God. It ends tragically. God suffers when he takes human form. Let the incarnations who have already come suffice for us. If some fuckwit sets himself up as an Avatar or Prophet, tell him to go fuck himself. He is a worthless piece of shit. Don't kill him. The guy is probably mentally ill. But don't give him money or let him sleep with your daughter or son or wife or whatever. Beat him as and when required and piss upon him at regular intervals so as to communicate your deprecation of his claims to moral authority.

Having dealt with the message of the Uttarakanda, let us now look at Ramachandra Gandhi's solution for the Babri Masjid issue. 
He says a crime has committed against women and 'lower' castes and for this reason nothing should be done, neither should the mosque be built nor a temple constructed, nor the land be returned to an agricultural purpose.
Thus, Gandhi thinks, reparation for a historical crime dictates how land should be used here and now. 
What is the flaw in this argument?
If a crime against women and lower castes requires reparation, why not a crime against the 'High Caste' Manuvad Hindus? Were they not conquered by Muslims? If reparation is owed to Women and Scheduled Castes why not to High Caste Hindu men?
The British left over 65 years ago yet India is quite happy to go on receiving Aid from the U.K on the grounds that this is some sort of reparation for their past crimes.
However, the British justified their exploitation of Bengal by saying it was reparation for the Black Hole of Calcutta, the massacre at Kanpur and so on and so forth. 
Ramachandra Gandhi, in the end, reveals himself to be as stupid as his grandfather- who thought the earthquake in Bihar was a divine punishment for the horrors of the Caste System.

The Mahatma was a head trauma victim. He wrote and said stupid things. His grandson was an intelligent, educated, man of spotless reputation. Yet, because he made the mistake of treating his grandfather's writings and sayings as being other than the ravings of a crackpot, he ended up saying foolish and stupid things.

What stupid and foolish people say about Ethics and Religion, in other words, almost everything Scholarly published under that rubric, is mischievous shite.

The Babri Masjid issue, all along, was a situation where co-operative Game theory- not tit-for-tat competitive Game theory- needed to be applied. The Law permits it, Revealed Religion (not Gandhian idiocy) sanctifies it, and the principle of Subsidiarity (the essence of Democracy) commands it.

Gandhian politics looks like an ideal basis from which to build co-operative solutions. Yet, neither in Gandhi's hands , nor in those of his heirs and apostles, has it ever worked as such. Instead, it has functioned as a mischievous interressement mechanism which flash freezes people and communities into eternally antagonistic roles. 

Gandhian thinking would turn the whole of India, the whole of the world, into nothing but rubble which is to be treated as sacred, which must be left in place, because 'the debris, the rubble, representing the hardness of our hearts and the shallowness of our minds, is more sacred as a confession of our unregenerateness' than as anything else more socially utile.

The point about Ayodhya is that it is a Temple town. Everybody can benefit if the pilgrim trade increases. There is a positive sum co-operative solution that dominates all others.

The Saudis have been accused of vandalism because they knocked down a lot of old buildings- no doubt of great antiquarian interest and aesthetic value- and turned Mecca into a technological marvel of Civil Engineering which, I am given to understand, fulfils its function very well at a utilitarian level. Ordinary people, from all over the world, go on pilgrimage there and find the experience glorious. Saudi Arabia will be able to draw revenue to maintain the Holy Places, from the pilgrims even if their oil suddenly runs out. 

It appears, the dilatory Indian Justice system has at last handed down a judgement that can be the basis of a co-operative solution. Instead of rubble, something more conducive to commerce may appear on the site.

It is noteworthy that the Gandhians, here as elsewhere, contributed nothing to the solution but, rather, sought to make permanent the worst possible outcome on the grounds that so stupid and foolish a course should be held 'more sacred'.

4 comments:

Sanjay said...

Whoa there buddy! Why are you picking on Ramachandra Gandhi? He was one of the good guys. Enjoyed a cold beer and knew all the old film songs.
Damn good writer, by the way and not a 'Gandhian' at all.

windwheel said...

Right. I guess I was thinking of his goody-goody brothers. So long as he got a couple of pints down his throat from time to time, he should certainly be forgiven preferring rubble where at least one could at least smoke and share a bottle of tarra to whatever ugly monstrosity Corporate Religion plans to erect there.

samir sardana said...

Subject - Chaiwala's scam of the Billenium

Context

This is proof that Hindoosthan has to be partitioned.dindooohindoo

The Indian SC gives the Babri Masjid to the Hindoos

Archaeo-legal evidence

In matters of archaeo-legal evidence of history,the cumulative patterns of archaeological evidence over 1000s of years are to be used - on matters of theological coordinates.

For example,there is no Rama or Vishnu in the Rig Veda - which is a North Indian script (with anti-south indian slant - which makes the absence all the more stark)- and this disaster stretches right upto the opus and treasure troves of Ashoka.

Even assuming that Rama was a dark skinned limpet (as per the Ramayana) and a Dasyus - condemned into oblivion by the Rig veda - and Ashoka being of Saka
origin,put Rama into the prolapsed uterus dustbin - there has to be a trail of evidence pointing to the Rama birth place.

Nil ASI Pattern of evidence

There is no authenticated or carbon dated evidence on a papyrus,tablets,leaves,goat skin, cow skin, pottery,idol,wall carving,painting which even obliquely refers to any Rama birth site - except the gay love rantings of Tulsidas - which even Tulsidas admits, are not based on any revelations by Rama or Vishnu or Vrinda or Kaushalya

It is based on the beliefs and perceptions of Hindoos who are ignoramuses,imbeciles and heathens.

I challenge the ASI to show a Phallic worship object dated to the 5 century BC - as there is none.All the tales of Shiva are from Africa and West Asia -
wherein phallic symbols and kamasutra engravings are carbon dated to 2500 BC.

ASI Strategy and Hindoo seers

Then comes in the ASI - which does controlled excavations.If Rama was an icon even in North or Central India - I can bet that the ASI has not uncovered a
single Rama Temple dated to the 1st and 5th century AD.

Madhavcharya called Ade Shankara a son of a prostitute and a liar and cheat and a quasi Buddhist.There is not 1 line in the magnum opus of Ade Shankara or
Madhavacharya on any Rama birth place or a grandiose temple of learning at his birthplace.

The truth is that if ASI digs in December 2020,in Ayodhya, it will find several sites which will have the name of Rama on the walls and murals - but it purposely maintained the status quo - to bias the judiciary.

Even from the 5th to the 15 century, I can bet that that the ASI does not have a single site or artefact or cuneiform tablet or scripture or treatise -
which even remotely hints of a TEMPLE EVER AT A RAMA BIRTH SITE - forget the site of the birth of the impotent gay pansy Rama

Granth and Mahabharata

Even the Mahabaharata does not have 1 word on a grand TEMPLE ON THE SITE OF RAMA'S BIRTH PLACE - EVER.Not 1 word.

Sikhs believe that Nanak of the Bedi clan,was lineaged from Lav and Kush.There is not 1 line in the Granth on a grand temple on the site of Rama's birth

It proves the following :

The Brahmin Formula

The Brahmins forged and burnt the Granth Sahib,forged the Bachetar Natak introduced porn in the Granth Sahib,introduced Kali and Durga worship in the
Sikh scriptures ,killed- beheaded and poisoned the so called Sikh Prophets and also placed idols of Krishna and others in the Golden Temple.

Cogito

As an aside,why did the Hindoos not record in history the existence of a grand Temple for Rama,per se,let alone his birth place.

Simple !

Rama's mother had sex with a Horse and also had sex with 11 Brahmins as her husband was an impotent pansy
Kaushalya is quoted in the Ramayana, as saying that her husband and Rama ONLY GAVE HER SORROW AND NO SATISFACTION AND RESPECT (no sexual satisfaction for Kaushalya after the advent of Kaikeyi - and this is also stated in the Ramayana)

The above explains why Brahmins LOVE Rama.These people inserted verses and forgeries in the Gita and Mahabharata and the Vedas.

samir sardana said...

Subject - How can a Mosque be renounced by virtue of perceptual faith to Idolators &a Heathen God

Context

This is proof that Hindoosthan has to be partitioned.dindooohindoo

The Indian Judiciary,in another case, has hanged a community based on public perception. In other words,it has deprived a Title owner of its Title - on the grounds of perceptual faith,and denied the title holder the right to make a renunciation.

History ?

It is "neither History nor an Interpretation or Perception of History".It is a Distortion of History.What is Public perception in a nation where idols drink milk & rum &500 million people are swayed by a Rs 15,00,00 promise.During the time of Babar,the population of Hindoosthan might have been 15 million &that of Ayodhya,around 350000.

How can the "Muslims" of Hindooosthan - give a Mosque to the Hindoo Idolator ?

ASI

ASI Reports mean nothing as the temple underneath, may have a stupa underneath (as it was a controlled excavation) - &there was no monolithic Hindoo faith in that time - just menial,savage,heathen pagan &satan worshippers.The ASI report has no proof that there was a Rama temple or that it was the birthplace of Rama or that it was a temple of Vishnu.

ASI has done limited excavations in Ayodhya &I can bet that if it is done - there will be several Ram Janamsthans - set up by Brahmins to milk hapless &heathen Hindoos - just like the Bible of Barnabus (appeared magically) &blew up the Jesus crucifixion &resurrection gospel.

The 5 acre pitt(y)ance

Will the Hindoos allow the Muslims to make a "Shaheed Babri Masjid" at the 5 acre spot ? Babar &the Mughals civilised the Hindoos ! Read this verse from the Ramayana - when Ravana describes Seeta !

http://www.valmikiramayan.net/aranya/sarga46/aranya_46_frame.htm

“Your hips are beamy, thighs burly akin to elephant’s trunks, &these two breasts of yours that are ornamented with best jewellery are rotund, rubbing &bumping each other, &they are swinging up &up, their nipples are brawny &jutting out, &they are smoothish like palm-fruits, thus they are covetable for they are beautiful.

“Oh, allurer, your smile is alluring, teeth are alluring, &your eyes allure, oh, beauty, your waist is palmful, your hair velvety, your breasts are jostling, &you rob my soul as a spate robs riverbank. [3-46-21, 22a]

It will be obvious to the AG of the Indian Government, that Seeta was topless &wearing a loincloth. THE MUGHALS TAUGHT THE HINDOOS TO WEAR CLOTHES &DO PROPER ABLUTIONS !

Besides the above,how can a "Muslim" &even an "Indian Muslim" renounce a mosque to Rama ? Who is Mr Tulsidas ? Was the Quran revealed to the Prophet or to Ghazali ? Tulsidas was a hallucinated crank high on coke - in love with Rama who spent 12 years in a jungle with only apes &some humans

As per the Valmiki Ramayana - Sita called Rama an impotent pansy &Rama is quoted in the Ramayana - as stating to Seeta - that she should prostitute herself to apes,demons &Rama's own brother ! Can such a man be a Prophet or a God or Imam ?

Seeta calls Rama an Impotent Pansy

Book II : Ayodhya Kanda – Book Of Ayodhya Chapter[30


“What my father, the king of Mithila belonging to the country of Videha, think of himself having got as so-in-law you, a woman having the form of a man?”

Rama tells Seeta to prostitute herself

Chapter [115

“O Seetha! That is why, I am permitting you now. Go wherever you like. All these ten directions are open to you, my dear lady! There is no work to be done to me, by you.”

“O gracious lady! Therefore, this has been spoken by me today, with a resolved mind. Set you mind on Lakshmana or Bharata, as per your ease.”

“O Seetha! Otherwise, set your mind either on Shatrughna or on Sugreeva or on Vibhishana the demon; or according to your own comfort.”

Can a Mosque be renounced in favour of such a person ?

Partition = only solution the Rama Temple will never be completed